Wealth of damning information. Thanks for sharing.
I tell you, I'm convinced more and more that my seperation for the WT company has been one of my best choices ever!
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Archive you might want!
by Atlantis inhere is an old archive you might want.. reexamine archive.
.. nevada.
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I'm not trying to brag, but being an EXJW is awesome!!! Status Update-
by Coffee House Girl inhello jwn!
i don't get to check in here or comment as often as i would like because i have been working so hard at school...but i just have to share my news in hopes that newbees can see that taking the leap to enroll in higher education is worth it-.
i am graduating this spring with a bachelor degree in art history, minor anthropology...many people (including nonjw's have given me flack for choosing a "dead end" career path) but since leaving the watchtower organization's group-think mentality and "leaning on my own understanding" instead... i decided to say fuck everyone else's opinion...i am going to pursue my passion to work in a museum as a curator or archivist-.
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This is the kind of experience that gives me the impetus to keep away from the soul dragging life of a robotic drone JW.
A hearty congratulations and the best for your bright future!
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Talked to JW's in Service Today (kinda long...sorry)
by exwhyzee ini was in my company vehicle and i spotted some jw's going from door to door.. i circled around the block and pulled over.
when they passed, i rolled down the .
window and asked the pleasant looking middle aged couple as they passed, if they were jehovah's .
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Tactfully done, with proper intentions and a sincere demeanor. Certainly something that they will chew on for some time to come.
I learned from your "method". I think it will work, especially on the tired ol' JW souls who have experienced the changing of the WT doctrinal tides.
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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I did it !!!!
by snare&racket in7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.
i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.
i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.
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Hip Hip Hooray!
Very inspiring for all of us.
The best to you and your future ~
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Top 10: Apostate Power Rankings -Who are/were the best apostates?
by kneehighmiah ini only know a few like franz.
i rank him #1. then theres that jwsurvey guy and jwfacts guy.
and the silent lambs lady.
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Gary Busselman
(aka garybuss on JWD/JWN) http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/member/2848
I sure miss his posts.
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Overwhelming Fear of Death
by Perversion of a truth indo any of the posters on here deal with this?
i do, and i hate it.
people (mostly my brother) tells me to not fear death and just to enjoy life and so on, but that doesn't seem to help any.
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Like you, I had trouble fathoming the thought of my own non-existence......especially in the wake of being raised as a JW with the bright and wonderful prospect of never ever growing old and dying. Now, I'm rapidly approaching 50 years of age.
Years ago I saved this piece from a JWN poster.
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
DEATH
So you have a problem.
All problems are feelings.
In your case the feeling is one of a discrepancy between the way things are and the way you'd like them to be.
You'd like to be immortal and you realize you're mortal.
You imagine things about what that means.
What does death mean?
It means the absence of life.
Certainly if you're dead you won't be perturbed, as you'll not be.
So it isn't really the business of being dead that you find disturbing, but rather the contemplation of deadness in the here and now.
You can change the way you think about it without denying its eventuality.
Before you were born you were effectively non-existent.
Dead.
After you die it will be the same.
So you certainly don't fear the past, where you didn't exist, so why fear the future where you will not exist either?
Perhaps it's a sense of lost opportunity.
You could think of whether it is true that experiences bring gain.
Suppose they don't.
Suppose it's an illusion, that these various stimulations which existence provides will bring about a sense of "ahhh, that's better than not having these"
Perhaps you could examine the self.
Do you have a continuous self now?
Are you the same you that was the infant?
Are you the young man that you were when you were ten?
Or are both of these individuals dead, and you possess their memories.
Perhaps you are nothing but a series of snapshots and the "self" is just a series of these notes played in a certain sequence.
Visit the cemetary near you. Look at the stones, and the names.
See your own.
What's the difference between you above them and the decayed bodies below the surface.
Go for a walk along a highway.
See a recent carcass of an animal.
Go by and see it again and again until it's gone.
Know that will happen to the body your sensation of self for the moment resides in.
Look at the sky at night when you can see the stars.
Know that some of these have already burned out and what you see are visual echoes of dead stars.
Know that if you were a star and gave off light, perhaps someone far away would see you shine and think...But are they still alive...one day they will die.
Explore the ways others have dealt with death and dying.
Know that feelings are impermanent - both good and bad feelings. The worst of these estimated to pass in at most 3-4 months. The best of these fade too.
You remain you.
And then you die.
All the time.
Sometimes you notice, and sometimes not.
Death comes and flakes you away like a soap bar in the water.
The image fades through the soap.
Ask yourself if others are living.
Ask yourself if you want to know the truth of be content with a lie.
Jesus himself said in John 12:24 - "most truly I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains just one grain; but if it dies, it then bears much fruit. He that is fond of his soul destroys it..." in so saying this, he indicated among other things that the business of true living involves death.
Fighting a natural process is self destructive.
The answer to death is to embrace change and become something new, something more.
If you spend yourself in this way being true to whatever grain of "wheat" you happen to be, then when you die, there will be no loss - not for you or anyone else.
This universe isn't a bag with holes.
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
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Consequences of the cult? FEAR and PASSIVITY - anything else?
by BluePill2 independing how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice after leaving them for good.. i think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs.
once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.. like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional love and warmth.
all these things hide the fact that the same organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called fear and passivity.
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You are not alone in feeling such.
But the fact that you recognize it will do wonders in your recovery. You said that you "noticed" it everyday. Thus, you are no longer a slave, but have the opportunity to control your life and much of its outcome.
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Bravo!
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"Is my life now more meaningful, and am I happier?"
by Julia Orwell inso the question is posed in this week's watchtower study at our former cult's houses of indoctrination.
i should like to answer it, and i should like to hear your answers too.. the question is in two parts, and i shall address each one in turn.. q. is my life more meaningful?.
my life is more meaningful.
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Hip-Hip-Hooray!
Great to hear some real "good news".
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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Facebook Friend
by Pete Zahut inmrs. zahut made facebook contact with a friend she grew up with.
the friend is from a large jw family.
so far she's only sent the following brief message.. " ....no one in our family are jw.
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My JW mom raised four children as JWs.
Me (inactive).
My three siblings never got baptized.
Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)